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Posted - 2017.05.18 12:12:36 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:If you're going to engage a Gila with a Curse you may also wish to consider tinkering with your fit a bit to specifically engage that ship type. The Gila can only field two drones at once, and even though they yield as much damage as ten that only works if they can hit... maybe try fitting a pair of tracking disrupters with scripts and using those on the drones. The Curse is bonused for them, so it may be effective.
No, just no.
TDs do not do anything to drones, drones are a natural counter to them for obvious reasons.
As already stated a curse is at a natural disadvantage fighting a Gila from the get go. It's damage can in no way be neuted off and the vast majority of correctly fit PVP Gilas are pure buffer or LSE/XL Ancil fit without an Invul. In the former case neuts can potentially shut down the Invul lowering its ehp significantly however this is not enough to secure a win.
The main issue is the ehp vs ehp and dps race is such a gigantic mismatch. That said a Gila launches two heavily bonused medium drones and this can be abused to your advantage. Webbing a single drone whilst maintaining a high speed via MWD removes 50% of the Gilas drone dps. Cycling your web between drones after "pushing" the previous one away allows you to maintain the lowered dps throughout the fight.
On ships with actual turret dps you can also use a flight of ECM 300s to jam one drone whilst utlising the above tactic to almost remove ALL drone dps. The Curse however does not have this luxury as your primary source of damage is through your drones. An active shield tanked Curse might stand a chance of lowering the dps enough via webs to secure a kill however it would be far from guaranteed vs a well fit Gila. Mainly because your low shield buffer means a single mistake will eat into your armor/structure.
Killing drones is not a palatable option. |
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Posted - 2017.05.18 13:10:26 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:While I don't grasp the obvious reasons for drones being a counter to TD's, I do appreciate the info regarding the ineffectiveness of said module on them.
Much obliged, as you may have saved me a costly loss in the future.
Tracking disruptors disrupt weapon systems and they do not disrupt drones.
Bonused high damage drone boats are unaffected by tracking disruptors and thus are naturally a hard counter. |
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Posted - 2017.05.18 13:36:19 -
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I looked up the loss and i have to say that is a horribly fit Curse which did not help your situation at all.
You wasted two mids on sensor boosters and a high on a cloak (you realise the curse is d-scan immune).
[Curse,LSE/XLASB Curse]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Warp Disruptor
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Medium Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer
Corpii C-Type Small Energy Nosferatu
Corpii C-Type Small Energy Nosferatu
Corpii C-Type Small Energy Nosferatu
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Infiltrator II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5
This is pretty solid for hunting PVErs.
45k ehp with all Ancil charges used (Yours had 19k ehp). 50k+ With blue pill. Not saying it will kill Gilas but it will do a damn better job than the previous fit you were using. The other thing to remember is you tried killing a Gila doing a Serpentis site who will have been thermal tanked.
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Posted - 2017.05.18 19:26:06 -
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As far as i am aware TDs do actually change drone stats but its not nearly enough to be a viable tactic to counter them. Jamming/Webbing them whilst kiting is really effective as mentioned though. |
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Posted - 2017.05.26 08:50:48 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:See, now I'm confused.
So, a Curse with it's 30% bonus to weapon disruptor effectiveness coupled with scripts for tracking speed, will or will not have a meaningful impact on the damage output of a Gila's hammerheads or valkyries if both drones are disrupted?
Seeking clarity.
Depends on the target. Against a Curse with MWD active or even without it active they will hit well regardless which is why it is not feasible.
Double tracking disrupting one whilst webbing the other might have some merit, however with all the mid slots you would sacrifice your tank is going to be very light and you would likely just die to the missiles. |
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